12. And they said to him, Where is that one? The man says to them, I do not have da'as of that.
13. The people lead the man to the Perushim…the man who had formerly been ivver (blind).
14. Now the time period Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach took the clay and opened his eyes was a Shabbos.
15. Then again also the Perushim were asking him how his eyes were opened, and the man said to them, The man placed clay on my eyes and I washed, and I see.
16. Therefore some of the Perushim were saying, This man is not from Hashem, because he is a Mechallel Shabbos (desecrator of Shabbos). But others were saying, How is a man who is a choteh (sinner) able to do such otot? There was a machloket (division of dissension) among them.
17. Therefore, they say to the ivver (blind man) again, What do you say about him, because he opened your eyes? And the man said, He is a Navi.
18. Therefore, those of Yehudah did not believe that the man had been ivver (blind) until they called the horim of the man whose eyes were opened.
19. And they asked the horim, saying, Is this the ben of you, whom you say was born ivver? How, therefore, does he now have sight?
20. In reply, therefore, his horim said, We have da'as that this man is the ben of us and that he was born ivver,
21. But how he sees now we do not have da'as nor do we have da'as of who opened his eyes. Interrogate him. He's had his Bar Mitzvah (T.N. i.e., he is of age). He will speak for himself.
22. His horim said these things, because they were fearing those of Yehudah, for already those of Yehudah had agreed that if any person made hoda'ah (confession) of him to be the Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, that person would be put under cherem ban from the shul.
23. Therefore, his horim said, He has reached his religious majority and is of age. Interrogate him.