Then the crowd answered him, We heard from the Torah that the Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach remains l'Olam (forever) and how do you say that it is necessary for the Ben HaAdam to be lifted up? Who is this Ben HaAdam? [Ps 89:4,36 37; 110:4; Isa 9:7; Ezek 37:25; Dan 7:14]