5. before the present yearswere reckoned,before the imaginations of thosewho now sin were alienated,before those who stored up faithas a treasure were sealed—
6. then I planned these things. As they were done by me and not by another, so also the end will come by me and not through another."
7. I answered, "What separates the times? When is the end of the first and the beginning of that which follows?"
8. He said to me: "From Abraham to Abraham, because Jacob and Esau were born from him, but Jacob’s hand held Esau’s heel from the outset.
9. Esau represents the end of this age, and Jacob represents the beginning of the following.